Bit of a quandry....
There is, in raising children, often a bit of a dilemma. Sometimes, you have to do things that you really don't want to do, but you have to enforce behaviors. I think that is what our parents meant when they said “this is gonna hurt me more than it is you”, and we never understood that.
As chronicled before, Pint has a few behavioral issues. Mostly emotional. And, they can be hard to deal with at times.
Last night, there was a firehall dance. From 6 – 9 pm. Pint has been doing really well with her new bedtimes, so I let all three girls go to the firehall dance.
We came home with no problems. Well, two of us did. ¾ Pint was here, and missed her Mom so Nursey drove out here and picked her up at the dance and drove her back to my house and put her to bed. The other two stayed at the dance with me until 8:30 when we left to come home.
¾ Pint was already asleep when we got here. ½ Pint went down pretty well, Pint went to BED pretty well, but did not fall asleep until about 10:30. Partially because, well, mostly because of the dance, and the Sprite I let her have for a drink at the dance. Sprite = sugar. Sugar = hyper.
No biggie really.
This morning ½ Pint woke me up at 8. Nice and sunny. (her mood, not the weather). I got up, started waking Pint up. Not yelling at her. She was already in bed with us from the middle of the night. She started in yelling and whining. It got worse.
We had CCD at 9 am. One hour is sufficient for three girls to get up, eat a bowl of cereal, brush their teeth, get dressed in jeans and clean shirts and drive the ½ mile to the Church.
We did NOT make it.
Pint was literally screeching. ¾ Pint was sitting in her chair. ¾ Pint looked at her. ¾ Pint picked the same kind of cereal Pint wanted.
¾ Pint was simply sitting at the table waiting for breakfast. We do NOT have assigned chairs. It is first come, first sit at our table.
I lost it. Started yelling back. I do not take kindly to screeching in my face first thing in the morning. Pint, however, was in full steam and would not quit. I told her that there would be no girl scout bowling trip next Saturday, as this is exactly what I am talking about when I talk about behaviors and privileges. Of course, that made her screech worse.
Finally, she got up from the table and ran into her bedroom and got in her bed, still screeching. I said good and shut the door, and told her if she was gonna screech, I didn't have to listen to it. I went into the bathroom with a cup of coffee.
When I came out of the bathroom, I told her she is grounded. No TV, no computer till I am ready to talk.
So, I am thinking, first talk about the truth. My biggest goal for her is to realize actions/consequences. And to own up to things.
I want her to not blame everything on ¾ Pint who had nothing at all to do with any of this other than sitting in a chair.
So #1, is to tell, AND accept that she is wholly responsible for this mornings debacle.
#2 is to apologize.
#3 is to accept that there are now consequences for her actions this morning.
That much I can do without any problems.
The problem arises here. Do I make the consequence match the crime....or do I make the consequence match the privilege that she had which led to not enough sleep and then, a bad mood this moring.
I am trying to teach her to CONTROL her own behavior (with the help of the Patch for now). Last night was a privilege, going to the dance. She allowed the dance to affect her mood and behavior this morning and failed to control herself.
So, lose the next privilege, which is next Saturday, bowling with the girl scouts. Let ½ & ¾ Pint, both of whom had NO problem this morning, and both of whom are younger, attend? And, have Pint stay home?
Or, just a regular grounding, no TV and no computer for a couple of days....
posted by: mimi (reply)
post date: 01.06.08 (9:20 am)
remove which is most important to her for a day or two and no more sprite...
will that work?
i figured out years ago that "grounding" actually punished me more than them because i would have to be around to make sure they stayed grounded...so i changed it to stuff that would only really affect them...why punish yourself?
anyway, good luck : )
xoxox
posted by: PirateGirl (reply)
post date: 01.06.08 (10:50 am)
I don't like whining and screeching at all either, but it sounds like sprite = sugar = hyper = not being able to sleep,= being way over tired in the morning = that is what effected her mood in the morning and her ability to control it. Sounds like if she is allowed to have sprite, it should not be allowed after a certain time in the early evening, cause her body just can't handle it, especially coupled with the nights event. Also - not that it's her fault, - but 3/4 pint had the advantage over everyone with having extra sleep. Maybe it should have been a night out for only an hour to and hour and a half, making it an earlier evening for everyone - like from 6 - 7 or maybe 7:30?
posted by: fractalmom (reply)
post date: 01.06.08 (12:22 pm)
Reply to: PirateGirl
lol. you know, normally she is not allowed any sugary drinks after 3 pm. so much for a treat night !!!
posted by: fractalmom (reply)
post date: 01.06.08 (12:23 pm)
Reply to: mimi
i actually talked to her alot, grounded her from tv and computer for an hour...and i haven't decided about anything further.
posted by: fractalmom (reply)
post date: 01.06.08 (12:25 pm)
Reply to: joliefille
well, yes and no. the really cool part is that when you are young, then you have a baby, you sort of naturally evolve with the child, and you learn all the parenting you need to as you need to know it. sort of. the problems arise when either you do NOT learn (my daughter, the mother of the children I am raising) or something is out of the usual (that's what your mother/aunt/grandmother/bestfriend are for) or when something chemical or physical gets in the mix...(adhd). for the most part, parenting is fun, and filled with love, laughter and happiness, plus lots of slobbery smiles and kisses....
posted by: auntconi (reply)
post date: 01.06.08 (1:21 pm)
hmmm ~ I guess the old one of "you are grounded for the rest of your life wouldn't work here"
~ way tooooo much punishment for grammy for giving her some Sprite
~ hope the hugs and slobbery kisses and smiles will make this a better day.
I think your response to mimi sounds like you've done enough.
Kids at that age really don't connect the dots too far into the future
~ as in 'no bowling next weekend because you were naughty last Sunday'
~ and it just keeps going and going and going.
Grammy, give yourself a break. Have another cup of coffee.
You did a good thing by letting them go to the dance.
I think "you" have been punished enough for allowing her to have some Sprite.
And, you are doing a really good thing by loving and caring for these sweeties and showing them a loving home. Something they will not really understand for a few more years to come ~ but you do and He does!
((hugs)) and I'll drink a cuppa with you any day!
posted by: lorischuster (reply)
post date: 01.06.08 (4:44 pm)
I was never good at this. I can be really tough but I was soft about grounding them from overnights and things. I did learn two things however that were helpful. 1) Tell them that you need time to contemplate the punishment instead of doing it immediately--saves you from doing the "grounded for the rest of your life" thing and 2) The most freeing thing in the world was saying "One day we will be friends but for now, I don't really care if you like me or not". It was nice you let them go to the dance. I'm sure you'll make the right decision...when you do you'll be at peace with it. Good luck.
posted by: fractalmom (reply)
post date: 01.07.08 (5:56 am)
Reply to: lorischuster
true. I was never interested in being my children's friend. I always figured you are supposed to get mad at your parents, they are making you grow up and so...i can handle it when they get mad and say mean things LOL. i know they get over them and i never take them seriously.
posted by: FinalyFree (reply)
post date: 01.07.08 (10:05 pm)
I learned that grounding for any amount of time was usually not very effective, mostly because I'd cave. So I started taking away immediate priveliges--i.e. no computer, Xbox, TV, etc., for an alloted amount of time and as they got older phone too. I usually got better immediate results. Best of luck :)
posted by: PastorDave (reply)
post date: 01.08.08 (6:41 pm)
Well, for me, such matters usually produce lots of sound and fury, but I end up showing more mercy than law. I'll threaten, and let it be known how very upset I am. And, I'll seek to induce some guilt. Then I'll cool down and think about it, and feel a bit badly for allowing a kid's behavior to so affect me.
It's not easy. Sounds to me like you love your kids, and stay connected with them. So, whatever transpires with this particular matter, you'll be o.k.
posted by: fractalmom (reply)
post date: 01.08.08 (7:24 pm)
Reply to: FinalyFree
yeah. i ended up grounding her from computer and tv. quicker is better LOL
posted by: fractalmom (reply)
post date: 01.08.08 (7:25 pm)
Reply to: PastorDave
gosh. i remember when Carey, now 30, came home from a date 5 minutes late. FIVE whole minutes. Dave grounded her for a year LOL. After everyone had calmed down..i explained to him that the punishment HAS to fit the crime....poor dave. he inherited two preteen girls at the tender age of 28 years old. i think he did a great job....but there was definately a learning curve going on there for a few years...
posted by: ammegan (reply)
post date: 01.09.08 (1:04 am)
Oh Fractalmom, you're so sweet! On top of all the screeching and whining, you still tried your best to look for solutions! Admire..admire...
